Former defence chiefs are revolting!

But enough of carry on, eh? What seems a little puzzling is the timing of the recent complaints on defence spending, particularly given that it is only two months since the Comprehensive Spending Review, which was the culmination of months of detailed debate, and following on from which there is little immediate fiscal flexibility.

The party political part of me wonders whether this was a too-good-to-loose leftover from the Tory general election campaign that never came, left on standby until Labour’s worst week in a long time. But I also come at this from a background in international organisations and relations, rather than defence as such, and I do have a lot of respect for people prepared to put their lives on the line for their country. So I can’t quite believe it is purely a party issue, despite the very personal nature of several of the comments.

One issue that I can see getting senior military people upset is what they may regard as trespassing on their professional territory. Could it be that the real concern is the early stages of a public debate not so much on the level of spending, but its focus? Traditionally, defence spending has very much been a matter, once the level is determined, of service chiefs themselves deciding how it is spent. But issues such as whether to proportionately fund the Army at a higher level than the Navy or the Air Force (perhaps taking into account Labour’s natural sympathy with the ‘poor bloody infantry’), and the balance between procuring jets and carriers over helicopters and uninhabited aircraft, are starting to bubble into the public domain. Perhaps questions are even being increasingly asked, confidentially, across Whitehall? But given the likely continuing calls on the military, within a complex political context both internationally and domestically, political debate in this area would seem to be warranted, and without it simply asking for more money is unlikely to get very far.



Display: Sort:

Re: Former defence chiefs are revolting! (#1)

Our defence spending is currently the second highest (nominally) in the world, only behind the US. Defence spending has risen every year under this Labour government (unlike under John Major). Plus troops are leaving Iraq soon and have left Northern Ireland already.

We do not need to increase defence spending anymore as a percentage of GDP - especially when it will only result in higher taxes, higher borrowing or cuts to schools and hospitals.

Re: Former defense chiefs are revolting! (#2)

Well if you wish to use the UK military to police the world you have to pay for it, and when you see and hear people taking tanks out of mothballs you wonder where the money has gone.


The fact is the UN has used the UK to do it's dirty work and then it should dam well pay for it. We are not the Police of the world we are a small nation with a good army, which lets be honest its one of the lowest paid, so where is the money going to.

Re: Former defense chiefs are revolting! (#3)

Honeywell, Scanfiber, Plasan, Astrum, Ivco, Konsbuerg, Eoh, W.E., Deenside, Revision, Fujitsu, Orion, Lyreco, Lockheed Martin, Paradigm, BT, Neat, Hesco, To name but a fue.

Re: Former defense chiefs are revolting! (#5)

You forgot BAE, mate...

Re: Former defense chiefs are revolting! (#8)

OK.

Re: Former defense chiefs are revolting! (#4)

It is hardly the case that our most expensive sorties of late have been on behalf of the UN!

The question is not whether we spend enough (we clearly do); it is whether we spend the money wisely and correctly.  Most of our military spending is investment in massive defence contractors: I've no ideological objection to the state creating and managing demand (although I understand some of my comrades have) but I do wonder at the way in which defence is the last arena in which such activity is not taboo.  How much will be spend on renewing Trident over the next few years?  While soldiers and their families are having to buy their own kit (or borrow it from their allies)?  It's an absurdity.  We should end imperialist adventures, abide by the NPT and look after our servicemen and women and their families properly.  The maths really isn't that difficult.

Re: Former defense chiefs are revolting! (#6)

Any argument about cost-efficiency is always thrown out the window when it comes to dealing with defence matters. It's a rule of thumb that is almost universal: the US tends to pay £300 for sink faucets on nuclear-powered submarines, or £180 for ashtrays inside some of the rooms within the Pentagon.

The fault lies squarely with the civilian leadership of the armed forces, and in this case the defence chiefs were right to revolt. I'd prefer a Tory-sponsored media blitz over a Musharraf-esque coup any day.

Re: Former defence chiefs are revolting! (#7)

Quite frankly its quite irresponsible of this group of retired top brass to start talking about the morale of troops on the front line, because it is a distraction for the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan who are obviously in a stressful combat zone anyway. Thier personal attacks on the PM are uncalled for and not fitting of the rank they once held. They themselves enjoyed every luxury as Chiefs and did not feel uneasy about the gross disparity with the other ranks, so lets have a bit less hypocrisy and a but more discipline.