Building the Progressive Consensus

Last night the good folk of the East Midlands gathered in Nottingham for a Compass event on building the progressive consensus. A high class panel of Ed Miliband, Hilary Wainwright and John Harris, ably chaired by academic Ruth Lister were on hand to discuss all and sundry.

I had never attended a Compass event before and so I was interested to see who was there. My impression, gleaned from the contributions from the floor, was that it was mostly trade union officers and intellectuals. Other than a couple of women from one of the city's council estates the working class were missing from the audience. Also missing were ethnic minorities. I counted one black face and no Asians.

Of the speakers, John Harris was witty and engaging and there was much support for his request for ministers to talk more about core values. Hilary Wainwright was worthy and thoughtful and outlined some interesting ideas about industrial democracy and local participatory democracy which, while certainly open to critique, were  worth thinking through some more on the way home. She was also the only one to talk about the need for institutional reform. And then there was Ed. I know he was bound by the need to adhere to collective responsibility but really, this was a poor effort. He compounded his poor performance by simply ignoring difficult questions on Iraq, Trident, faith schools, academies, detention without trial and so on. Instead he preferred to focus on the public services and the need to move beyond the 1945 settlement without ever being very clear about what a new settlement would look like.

By the end of the meeting I was left with the feeling that a lot of words had been uttered but that perhaps even Compass was unsure about what a 'progressive consensus' would look like or how it would be built. Having sat through it however, I would offer the following as a tentative starting point.

As the largest progressive party in Britain any progressive consensus must have Labour playing a central role. That means that the leadership must trust the membership more. My party card says that the Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. Who do I sue for misrepresentation? The 'S' word wasn't mentioned once at the meeting and the party leadership also never utter the word. The last party conference also effectively brought to an end any semblance of democracy. So a progressive consensus must begin by renewing the party, making it once again a democratic party on the centre left.

Within political science it is almost axiomatic to say that structures constrain if not determine outcomes. If we want to build a consensus then we need structures that make that possible. That means, as Hilary Wainwright argued, electoral reform. There will be fewer Labour MPs undoubtedly, but those that are elected will be able to make a better and more progressive contribution. Freed from the limits imposed by the logic of the Median Voter Model that determines present day political positioning, a coalition of Labour and a progressive Liberal Democratic Party could deliver far more in the way of progressive politics than we have managed alone since 2001. In the longer term, a red-green coalition could take us even further along the progressive road well beyond what we can imagine from the standpoint of today's politics.

On policies, I think we already have the basis of a consensus. Most progressive opinion is opposed to trident replacement, ID cards and the war in Iraq. Add to that significant agreement on civil rights, the EU and support for public services and we have a starting point. Without reform of the party or reform of the institutions of state, however, building that consensus beyond Compass talking shops and taking it into government may prove sadly elusive.

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Re: Building the Progressive Consensus (#1)

I was there last night, and I have to disagree about Ed- I wasn't expecting much, but I thought he had some interesting things to say about the need for idealism in government etc. A thoroughly enjoyable meeting, though, just as good as the one I went to last year.

Re: Building the Progressive Consensus (#2)

I agree with Red Flag - I thought Ed was thoughtful, engaging, honest (as far as he could be, given that he is a minister) and thought provoking. I would not have expected him to say anything controversial on Iraq or Trident - he's a cabinet minister.

I think Radfordmann has (perhaps unintentionally) misreported the meeting in terms of questioners and BME attendance.

I spotted 3 BME people in the room - and there was definetly one who was Asian. Still not a great BME turnout given that there were 60 or so people in the room.

There were more than 2 working class people in the room than the 2 women reported. There were at least 2 other working class questioners and I know of at least another 3 working class people who were in the meeting. In fact I'm surprised that Radfordman can tell who was working class and who wasn't - as far as I know working class people don't wear badges or t shirts identifying themselves.

As for the questioners being dominated by trade union officials and intellectuals I think this misrepresents the position. I counted 4 TU officials who asked questions and of these 4 questions, to my recollection only 2 of the questions were related to TU issues. As fore the rest of the questioners being "intellectuals" I think that is just a daft thing to say. No questioner identified themselves as an academic or intellectual - granted some (but by no means all) questioners were quite "posh middle class" types I wouldn't say they were intellectuals.

Everyone I spoke to (about 8 people) after the event said they enjoyed - let's hope there are more. 

 

Re: Building the Progressive Consensus (#3)

OK, fair enough on BME. I only spotted one but there were folk behind me that I may have missed.


On Ed Miliband, obviously I didn't expect him to say anything contrary to the Government's stated view. However, what I thought was rather bad manners was that he didn't say anything - he just ignored the questions.


My assertion that there were a large number of intellectuals present was prompted by my recognising a number of colleagues from the university in the audience together with, very pleasingly, a large number of young people of student age. Accent played no part in my identifying other questioners as intellectuals. Rather, I was going on the admittedly subjective assessment of whether their remarks and questions demonstrated a degree of thoughtfulness that stepped outside the media mediated discourses of contemporary political debate.

As for social class, I'm happy to accept your observation. I was attempting to convey an impression from my observations which of course were subject to the usual limitations and errors that attend any such subjective observation. I suppose that if we turn to Marx for an attempt at an objective approach, we were all workers at the meeting!

Re: Building the Progressive Consensus (#4)

LOL - the comment about Marx. I guess you are right that on that basis everyone at that meeting was working class.

On Ed Milliband - I didn't actually notice that he didin't answer the questions on Trident and Iraq. Panel members were asked to respond after several questions were asked from the audience and this made it difficult for them to be "pinned done."

I did notice that all the panel members failed to answer at least one or two of the questions that were asked by the audience. There was a question about how we can ensure that improved access to HE can benfiet those from lower incomes - to my recollection no-one on the panl really addressed that issue.

Our trivial, bickering aside I guess we both agree the meeting was interesting and Compass should arrange more of them.


 

Re: Building the Progressive Consensus (#5)

Agreed. And on that note, the progressive consensus takes a step forward!