What does Brown stand for anyway?

Gordon Brown is expected to be coronated leader of the Labour Party and, therefore, asked by HM The Queen to form a government. He will, of course, graciously accept, but what kind of Prime Minister will he be?

Every time Blair has been rock bottom or there is a crisis of some sort Brown has been conspicuous by his absence. What are his views on foreign policy? Will he pull troops out of Iraq or keep them there? Will he be as cosy with Bush as Blair was? What about Home Affairs - will he want to push through ID cards or will he re-introduce a bill asking for 90 day detention? And the NHS? How much privitisation does he want?

Finally, what about all the Blairites that will be left behind after Tony packs all his boxes and puts them on the removal van. How will they cope? Will they back Brown without question or will they be a thorn in his side as the Brownites were to Blair?

Surely the only way to resolve any of these questions is to call a General Election soon after Brown takes over so he can get a fresh mandate from the people and we can see what he really believes.


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Re: What does Brown stand for anyway? (#1)

I think that whoever becomes next leader will hold out as long as possible before holding a general election, like the Tories in 1997. They will want to try and become more popular and drag the party back up the polls rather than risk a Tory government getting in now.

Re: What does Brown stand for anyway? (#3)

more like the tories in 1992

Re: What does Brown stand for anyway? (#9)

Either that or he will go for an immedate GE to secure his own mandate and strangle the Cameron "revival" at birth, after which he'd be able to do pretty much whatever he wanted policy-wise.

Re: What does Brown stand for anyway? (#2)

You've kind of hit the nail on the head. Brown is straight out of the egg of John Smith that created Blair.

What will he change. Pro-nuclear, euro-sceptic, never voiced an opinion on major issues.

Will he really come out saying that the Government was wrong all those times. Even "the message was right but the method wrong" won't wash with the British public.

The Labour Party needs a renewal. We shouldn't go back to the 1980's, but equally so we cannot carry on in the way that we are in terms of policy.

Re: What does Brown stand for anyway? (#4)

Brown and Blair disagree about very little.  I think the public will see that.  Therefore I suspect that the arrival of Brown at Number 10 (the co-architect of New Labour and the bank-roller of Blair's unpopular policies) would have little or no impact on the popularity of the government.  Brown is a bust flush.

Re: What does Brown stand for anyway? (#5)

Actually, there's been polling on this and, much though you may think they're wrong, people do believe Brown is significantly to the left of Blair. He's also perceived as to the left of where the average person perceives themself(Blair is to the right of the average person, though only by a bit).

(A quick disclaimer on this - obviously averages can be misleading; also the last time a publicly available poll was done on this was February, so it's a bit out of date.)

The impact of Brown's arrival is that some voters come back to us from the Lib Dems and third parties, but a smaller number go over to the Tories, which roughly evens itself out.

Oddly though, Brown's arrival seems to help the Tories against the Lib Dems, which is why Cameron's lead over Brown is wider than the topline voting intention figures.

However, given the irrelevance of the Tories in the Scottish and Welsh elections, there is reason to believe that Brown would give those election campaigns a boost. But then, any new leader probably would. And obviously a lot of people will say you shouldn't change your leader for the sake of the devolved assemblies...

Re: What does Brown stand for anyway? (#8)

Yes, Nick, this is true.  The media have tried to present Brown as 'old Labour' and representing something quite distinct from Blair for some time.  To a certain extent he has encouraged it at times too (to try and keep the unions on side, I guess, which has seemed to work with the main affiliated unions thus far).  But a real contest with a discussion about policies is likely to flush him out, for any who were still wondering!

Re: What does Brown stand for anyway? (#6)

Brown stands for exactly the same things as Blair. It's all abour spin, personality and personal gain with Bliar and Brown.

Re: What does Brown stand for anyway? (#7)

Firstly, i think we have to understand the difficulties Brown's faced over the past few years. On the one hand he's expected to flesh out his own policy ideas as the front-runner to take over. Conversely, he's still been expected to maintain loyalty to Blair, and has and would be accused of disloyalty if he set out his own stance further.

Secondly, we can expect the die hard Blairites such as John Reid, Tessa Jowell, John Hutton and Lord Falconer to exit the cabinet under Brown. If they've got any sense they'll unite behind him for the good of the party. A sign of authority transferring to Brown has been the movement of ministers previously seen as close to Blair towards the Brown camp. David Miliband is one example, with his ringing endorsement of Brown in this week's New Statesman. Another, is Jack Straw, while Peter Hain and Hilary Benn have also been shifting ground. All can be expected to remain in a Brown cabinet.

Finally, the meaty stuff, Brown's own political beliefs and policy views. There's actually a reasonably large amount we have learnt about Brown, primarily owing to the large influence on swathes of domestic policy that was ceded to him under the Granita deal.

Foreign Policy: On Iraq i don't think Brown will be in any hurry to bring the troop's back, although the FO and MOD admit privately that British forces could pull out of Iraq in the next year and a half.

Brown will never be seen to question the war itself but may admit that areas such as post-war planning and reconstruction could have been more competently carried out.  

It is well known that he is a commited Atlanticist, nevertheless with Bush still in power for the immediate future
Brown might seek to maintain a similar position to the US but not as has often appeared under Blair, an identical one. Of course Brown would hugely benefit from a Democratic President, New Labour having been directly inspired by the New Democrats.

It is foolish and simply wrong to describe Brown as 'Euro-sceptic' as one poster did. Unlike Eurosceptics Brown is at ease with the concept of pooled sovereignty, he does object to the largesse of the CAP and would like to see more economic reform but such thoughts are more representative of differences within the EU rather than with the EU itself.

Law and Order: Brown has previously mentioned support for ID Cards and backed 90-Day detention in a recent speech.

On the 'Respect' agenda a Brown government may wish to emphasise the introduction of more community facilities just as much as ASBOs.

Defence: We now know that Brown backs the retainment of Britain's nuclear weapons system.

Constitutional Change: Brown would like to see the power to declare war transferred to Parliament and this may be indicative of a wish to present increased accountability.

Public Service Reform: Brown was said to be sceptical of foundation hospitals standing against giving them increased powers to borrow on the private capital markets. He is apparently lukewarm about choice as a driver of improvement.

Conversely, he has few ideological objections to private sector involvement as his strong backing for PFI and support for PPPs demonstrates.

Brown was once apparently reticent on student finance reform but he backed top-up fees in a recent speech.

On public spending Brown envisages a period of belt-tightening over the next economic cycle, as planned smaller increases in public sector wages have shown, with extra resources continuing to be invested in health and education.

Social Policy: Influential Brownites such as Ed Balls and Ed Miliband have recently been talking up a  renewed
drive against child poverty in the future and this fits in well with Brown's long held political passions. One proposal has been the development of a 'Make Child Poverty History' campaign.

Attempts to do so though are likely to be carried out through the means of increased tax credits, the fleshing out of Sure Start and so on. A Brown government will stick to the New Labour text book and will not raise the basic or top rate of income tax.

Government style: The words 'quietly competent' are often mentioned in this area, with the aim of a less flashy style of government. With a figure such as Alistair Darling likely to become Chancellor this may not be too difficult to achieve in practice.

Lastly, Brown as the co-creator of New Labour is unlikely to row back from a basically centrist, modernising position, we will see shifts of emphasis yes but no fundamental split with the Blair era. Although we are promised Brown has plenty of surprises along the lines of Bank of England independence up his sleeve for his first 100 days.