Tax Payers Alliance Campaign Needs Watching

ConservativeHome has done us a considerable favour by posting this story and in particular the link to the PDF of a presentation about the Tax Payer's Alliance poll.

The poll has already been used quite effectively by a number of right-wing newspapers to promote the TPA message about the case for tax cuts and to imply that there is a wide level of public support. I have to say that I have my doubts about some of their findings - perhaps my circle of friends and acquantainces is unusual, but I certainly don't recognise "one in five" people seriously considering emigrating, for example.

The pdf presentation to some extent confirms my doubts; quite a lot of the questions are heavily loaded and seem to prompt the responses.

But whilst I would question some of the headline figures, I find it harder to question the underlying messages about deep negativity over politics and politicians, and that this could be heavily capitalised on by a populist, tax-cutting, 'anti politician' message.

I don't think at the moment that the Cameron Tory party could credibly deliver this - and that also appears to be a clear message from the presentation - but we must not underestimate the potential dangers. Much of the presentation uses arguments and approaches very similar to key themes from the Republicans in America, relabeling taxes and spending cuts to re-frame the terms of public debate.

I'd be interested in the reactions of others to the findings.


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Re: Tax Payers Alliance Campaign Needs Watching (#1)

This article at UK Polling Report puts the findings in context.

People do like the idea of paying less tax - don't we all? - but if savings are found, people would rather see the money put into front line services than handed out in tax-cut.

It also finds that people are less swayed by the economic arguments about tax cuts than over other arguments. Those are the arguments that Tories are most passionate about and are therefore likely to have their impact softened.

Any Tories rejoicing over the results and thinking that it's evidence that people will turn to them are in for a rude awakening.

Re: Tax Payers Alliance Campaign Needs Watching (#2)

The issue has moved on from Tax levels - we are at about the maximum tax rate. We could probably reduce some headline taxes by 5% - but that's about it. The BIG issue is now about efficiency. The next Government who can convince or prove to the public that they are more efficient at collecting taxes and more efficient at delivering services will do better at the polls.

Re: Tax Payers Alliance Campaign Needs Watching (#3)

I am happy to pay taxes to fund public services. I don't want to live in a society of private affluence amongst public squalor.

The Taxpayers Alliance is a Tory front.

We should concentrate on fighting for good public services and making the case for their funding.

If that meant an increase in taxes then so be it.

Let's not let the middlebrow loony right papers make our policies any more shall we?

Re: Tax Payers Alliance Campaign Needs Watching (#4)

Firstly, thank you to Glasshouse for linking to the UK Polling Report entry, which I agree gives much more balanced coverage of the poll.

To expand on my initial post; the TPA poll uses a number of loaded questions and it is therefore not surprising that it generates the answers it does. It is also not a good idea to put too much wait on relatively detailed responses from a single poll - for example, the apparently surprising finding that Inheritance Tax is the second most unpopular tax needs to be seen in teh context of a recent campaign by one tabloid against it and the controversy surrounding Steven Byer's statement, which togehter have raised the profile of this particular tax.

What I believe the poll does show very effectively is that there could be an effective negative campaign around tax issues linked to an 'anti-politics' agenda which used key languages and messages effectively. It also suggests that these arguments cut across supporters of all parties and most socio-economic classes.

Fortunately, the Tories under Cameron at the moment do not seem to be particularly well-placed to take advantage of this, and there are strong responses open to Labour; but we do need to be doing much more to emphasise the added value that has been achieved already through extra investment in public service, and to think about how we address the perception of wide-spread waste and mismanagement in public spending.

Re: Tax Payers Alliance Campaign Needs Watching (#5)

The Daily has a long article on this poll: http://thedaily.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/its-not-tax-its-value-for-money/

Although many of the Taxpayers Alliance questions are tilted, I think that using that as an excuse to bury our heads in the sand would be a mistake.  People are interested in the level of tax, and the level of spend - its not either/or - and we have to talk about both.  That doesn't mean we have to cave in and accept tax cuts across the board, but it does mean we accept people are worried about how much they pay in, and more importantly, what it is actually used for.  

The other thing to note is that the TPA is not a Tory front.  It is funded and run by right wingers, but the best analogy would be to say that the TPA is the right's Labour Representation Committee.  I don't think anyone would accuse LRC of being a Labour front organisation!

Re: Tax Payers Alliance Campaign Needs Watching (#6)

I agree. We're pushing against the top limit of what people will stand for at the moment.

Re: Tax Payers Alliance Campaign Needs Watching (#7)

Glass House - sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was not saying I thought taxes were too high or that we should take up a Byers/Redwood approach to tax cuts for the rich.  What I meant was that we have to factor in people's concerns about tax/waster vs investment in public services when we are trying to sell the policies we have decided on.  This could mean we raise tax for some (polluters, unearned income for example) and tax cuts for others (people who do voluntary community work or low income earners for example).  

What it does not mean though is that we throw a bone to the Daily Express and give rich kids a break in their hard lives by cutting their tax.  

The big problem that new Labour is having (and the Cameron Tories are about to repeat) is the problem the Dems have in the States in the 90s.  The tactic of triangulation - a clever communications strategy - has been mistaken for a set principle.  We should not have made a habit of giving into the right on certain issues simply to make ourselves centrist.  The reality is, if we give into the right on tax - IHT for example - they will come after us on income tax or corporation tax.  These people don't let us off simply because we give in on a policy.

There is an important difference between political strategy and principle.

Re: Tax Payers Alliance Campaign Needs Watching (#8)

Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear either. I don't want tax  cuts for the rich, I just think that we can't have much more in the way of tax rises - I don't think the voters will stand for it.

That said, I agree with you that, if handled properly, the public will go for fairer tax (like higher for polluters and tax cuts for the poorest).