Byers attacks inheritance tax

There has been a rumour circulating that a Labour MP was recently photographed smoking dope. My suspicions fell on Stephen Byers after I read his piece in yesterday's Telegraph attacking the fairness of Inheritance Tax.

Here are some extracts from the piece but the original article can be found here. Responses can be read in the Independent and the Guardian.

"It is unfair and punitive. It often represents a form of double taxation because it is applied to assets which themselves have been acquired from earned income that itself has been taxed".

"Increasingly, it hits people who in life have never been liable to the higher rate of income tax but in death find their assets taxed at 40 per cent. It is a penalty on hard work, thrift and enterprise. For these reasons, inheritance tax should be abolished".


"What is clear is that the architects of the tax never intended it to apply beyond the landed gentry or the very wealthy. It was aimed at a tiny majority of estates. Yet the effect of a strong and stable economy and the house price inflation we have seen over recent years means that inheritance tax is becoming a major issue in many parts of the country".


"Inheritance tax raised £3.3 billion last year. Although not a large sum in overall terms, its abolition couldn't take place without the need to raises taxes elsewhere. I would favour an increase in the level of environmental taxes".

I probably don't need to repeat that Inheritance Tax is only applied to 6% of estates - though it is because of this that it seems almost the fairest of taxes. The £3.5 billion it raises is spent on services of benefit to the whole nation, making it our most progressive means of redistribution, even though it is a tiny part of government revenue.

There is a strong argument that the rate of Inheritance Tax should be increased, or even banded so that larger estates pay at a higher rate. The most important reform of inheritance tax law should be the inclusion of the Monarch. Thirteen years ago, the Queen did a deal with John Major excluding "Sovereign to Sovereign" bequests from inheritance tax liability.

Byers' assertion that the £3.5bn lost through the abolition of the tax should be raised through environmental taxes displays a worrying lack of understanding of taxation from a former Cabinet Minister. The point of environmental taxes is to reduce revenue over time to the benefit of the environment. Environmental taxes that don't reduce consumption could be considered failures, which is why London's congestion charge was a success, even though the financial model initially failed.

Paying tax remains one of the few patriotic things most members of the British public do outside of the realm of sports. If Labour MPs start undermining the value of taxation, then there will be no-one left to defend the last piece of Marxism that it's still widely acceptable to support - "from each according to his ability to each according to his needs".


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Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#1)

I consider myself to be on the right of the party, but it apalls me that a Labour MP would advocate getting rid of inheritance tax.  

Here's a good response to Byers' article by Tom Clark-

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/tom_clark/2006/08/post_301.html

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#2)

Hmmm, interesting but not entirely surprising considering how rich some MPs are getting.
 It always tires me when people say how socialistic inheritence tax is. its not, in fact i think its quite the oppossite. it means that everybody no matter where they come from has to work and compete to earn their pay. that in my view is true capitalism. sure socialism is great for protecting us from bad external effects of capitalism but just because it isn't the government enforcing protectionism doesn't mean it isn't socialism and just because its benefitting the rich rather than the poorest doesn't meen its not socialism either. i'm honestly glad that inheritence tax remains so people in this world can't simply lounge of the benefits of what their parents did without raising a finger. the deserving hard working masses are far more entitled to that money than the children of the elite

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#3)

Absolutely bizarre.

Byers is proposing a policy, the US equivalent of which was recently blocked in the Senate by Democrats and moderate Republicans.

Inheritence is a deeply unfair method of wealth distribution that increases inequality and hinders class mobility.

From a more Blairite perspective, inheritence is the antithesis of meritocracy.

Is Byers planning to cross the floor, perhaps?

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#4)

I assume this is little more than kite-flying from Byers.  But his comments cannot simply be dismissed out of hand.  
It is, as he says, a form of double taxation, which is increasingly hitting the sorts of people on whom we rely (like it or not) to get us into power - the middle classes.  
I would not go so far as to suggest abolition - its level needs revising, especially if we are to retain any credibility in the housing hotspots of the South East - but Byers is absolutely right to start a debate about it.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#7)

VAT is also a form of double taxation, loads of taxes are. That's not an argument to abolish inheritance tax (and I must say Byers made his case badly).

Having said that, I agree we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

Thr trouble is that though only 6% pay the tax, something like over 50% feel that at some point they might pay it. It may be illogical, but perception is all.

I would go for Alex's suggestion of banding. Make the first £400,000 tax free, and put 1% more on estates over that to bring their tax to 41%. That should have a psychological effect on all our voters (who are current mortgage holders with assets less than 400k), but not affect the principle of the tax or the tax take too much.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#12)

Groovy idea

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#17)

I'm not actually convinced that IHT is a form of a double taxation, though you could quibble over the definition.

Good arguments on this at both Fisking Central and The Daily.

Of course, the tax is, in a strict legal sense, levied on the estate of the dead person, but we can all see that in reality they are not paying the tax. They're dead after all!

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#13)

No Byers is wrong. This is the simplest tax of the lot to think about. As a Labour Party we are committed to equality of outcome- but even those who aren't committed to that are to equality of opportunity- inheritance tax equalises opportunity in a way that no other tax attempts. To abolish it would be leaving inherited inequality in place to an even greater extent than it is today.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#14)

It seems a rather peculiar way to "start a debate" by stridently advocating the most extreme possible policy option.

If you were intending to start a debate, you'd outline the problem, not the solution, surely?

Byers' arguments are fairly nonsensical. I think you could make a case based on purely electoral considerations, or on practical grounds around restricting avoidance, but his attempt to make a principled case doesn't get very far in my view.

I don't know what his motivation was for writing the article but it wasn't a good way to kick start a debate and it certainly wasn't terribly helpful to the Party either.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#5)

Couldn't have put it better myself.

I've been reading Tony Benn's diaries and I'm starting to think that Byers will wind up like Reg Prentice and defect to the Tories.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#6)

I am utterly dismayed that a Labour MP could stoop to such lows, in effect offering support to the campaign run by the vicious Daily Express to abolish inheritance tax.

The abolition of inheritance tax would set back even further the UK's already depressingly low level of meritocracy (see the recent report on the continuing dominance of privately educated elites in the most influential positions) and true equality of opportunity. Vast sums of inherited wealth corrode the aspiration of a fair society and do nothing to further the dynamic, innovative economy Byer's claims inheritance tax hinders.

Think of the unfair advantage enjoyed by those who with parental backing can afford to live in London (now officially the most expensive city in the world) early on in their careers and thus recieve access to a unique set of networking opportunities and contacts denied to others. Inheritance tax is necessary to ameliorate such inequities.

We can either work towards further developing what the US political theorist John Rawls terms and 'infrastructure of justice' by entrenching the role of the enabling state through measures such as Sure Start and the New Deal, all of which requires progressive taxation (itself a basic necessity for a just society) or we can move backwards to the kind of stratified, class-biased, degenerate 'gentlemanly capitalism' that Will Hutton so vividly indicted in his epochal 'The State We're In'.

Inheritance tax is a fundamental requirement if we are to have any hope of achieving the high and worthy aspirations to follow from the first vision.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#8)

"I personally think that society is responsible for a very significant percentage of what I've earned. If you stick me down in the middle of Bangladesh or Peru or someplace, you find out how much this talent is going to produce in the wrong kind of soil... I work in a market system that happens to reward what I do very well - disproportionately well."

~ Warren Buffet - the worlds second richest man (Forbes), who gave away 85% of his fortune.

He also argued that he wanted his kids to predominantly make their own success.  Of course they won't starve on the breadline - but billions will not suffocate them either.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#9)

I think he's given his kids $6.7bn - on that basis they don't really have to make their way in the world.

In any case no one is disputing that multi-billionaires like Buffett should pay inheritance tax. The question is more about the small fry. People with houses who fear, however irrationally, that they will get caught up in the inheritance tax bracket.

Latest ICM poll shows that of the 65+ group, 56% will vote Tory, compared to 21% Labour and 19% Lib Dem. This group is the most likely to fret about inheritance tax, even if they will never pay it. I think we should raise the tax-free threshold to £400,000, and slap 1% extra on the value of estates above that to make the millionaires and billionaires etc, pay 41% (instead of 40% at present). People would think that was fair, and it would relieve the anxieties of the 65+ group who firmly believe that they will get caught by IHT.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#10)

"I probably don't need to repeat that Inheritance Tax is only applied to 6% of estates"

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Dodgy statistic to make it sound like it;s only the mega-rich that this hits. Vast swathes of not rich ordinary working people are hit by inheritance tax every day because of the way the threshold has been totally out of step with the rising of the housing market.

Sure, the mega-rich can get stung, but a 3 bedroom house in the South-East will be hit by the tax. That's an oridinary working family with say two teenage kids who were unfortunate enough to buy when the market was weak and are now considered to be horribly rich through no fault of their own.

Scrapping may be the wrong thing to do, but reeling out the "only 6% of estates get hit by it" is disingenuous nonsense.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#11)

Sorry Dizzy - but it's not nonsense, it's a fact. And GB did raise the threshold way above inflation so as to relieve a lot of people from the prospect of paying. I'm sure future thresholds will be raised if the housing market continues to rise.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#15)

"Sure, the mega-rich can get stung, but a 3 bedroom house in the South-East will be hit by the tax. That's an oridinary working family with say two teenage kids who were unfortunate enough to buy when the market was weak and are now considered to be horribly rich through no fault of their own."

Speaking as someone from one of those families - my parents bought their house for c.£30,000 in the mid-1980s and it would now sell for over £500,000 - I'm not sure about why you're describing this situation as unfortunate.

It's extremely fortunate.

And the issue isn't whether, in inheriting the house, my siblings and I would become mega-rich, the issue is whether it would be right for us to inherit £500,000 tax-free.

It would be fundamentally, morally wrong.

There simply isn't a centre-left moral case for abolishing inheritence tax.

There might be a practical one, given all the available accountancy wheezes for avoiding paying it.

Re: Byers attacks inheritance tax (#16)

So Byers was in favour of removing hereditary legislators but against taxing hereditary wealth.  Good one.

I agree - inheritance tax is fair.  I would make it even fairer by introducing a band-type system.