New You Gov poll

steppenwolff Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 04:09:43 PM GMT Print-friendly version Facebook

For the Daily Telegraph:

Con 38 (-1)
Lab 33 (nc)
LD 18 (nc)




The Telegraph is quite critical of David Cameron in its report today - probably due its failure to force Cameron back to he right.

An interesting paragraph says that Cameron is already falling out of favour with the voters:

"Six months ago, 46 per cent of YouGov's respondents thought he was "proving a good leader of the Conservative Party".

That figure has fallen to 35 per cent. The proportion who think he is not proving effective has nearly doubled from 19 to 33 per cent.

More people think Mr Cameron would make a better Prime Minister than Mr Blair, but the margin between them is wafer-thin - 26 per cent to 25 per cent - and 41 per cent are sitting on the fence, saying they "don't know".

Only 23 per cent of voters approve of the Government's record, the lowest figure recorded since Labour came to power in May 1997."

Professor Anthony King has a very interesting take on Cameron's situation:

"The Conservative Party increasingly resembles a tired runner panting along in sweltering heat. He is ahead in the race but only because his main rival is even more exhausted."

Most worringly he says:

"The Tories today are no better off than they were under William Hague, Iain Duncan Smith and Michael Howard."


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Re: New You Gov poll (#1)

by JM on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 05:33:17 PM GMT

"The Conservative Party increasingly resembles a tired runner panting along in sweltering heat. He is ahead in the race but only because his main rival is even more exhausted."

Interesting take on the situation. Labour may be in the crap, but the Tories aren't loved in the way that Labour in the couple of years before 1997.


Re: New You Gov poll (#2)

by bornin84 on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 05:35:27 PM GMT

"The Conservative Party increasingly resembles a tired runner panting along in sweltering heat. He is ahead in the race but only because his main rival is even more exhausted."

And Labour are due for a fresh runner as well!


Re: New You Gov poll (#3)

by snowflake5 on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 05:57:54 PM GMT

"Most worringly he says:

"The Tories today are no better off than they were under William Hague, Iain Duncan Smith and Michael Howard.""

It's only worrying for Tories!  Are you a committed Tory then, stephenwolff, or are you a floater?


Re: New You Gov poll (#4)

by steppenwolff on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:07:57 PM GMT

Floater with Tory tendencies.

My mother said it was just a phase and I would soon find a girl I like but that didn't change me either!


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Re: New You Gov poll (#5)

by snowflake5 on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:31:06 PM GMT

Well it's a good sign that you feel comfortable enough with Labour to blog on here rather than ConHome! :-)


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Re: New You Gov poll (#6)

by steppenwolff on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:39:59 PM GMT

I got banned from ConHome for calling Andrew Rossindell a "closet racist". Bad me.


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Re: New You Gov poll (#8)

by snowflake5 on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:58:17 PM GMT

You'll be glad to know we're all for outing closet racists!


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Re: New You Gov poll (#7)

by radical1 on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 06:50:40 PM GMT

I mentioned it on another thread. Good news for Jim Knight South Dorset, the Tories have chosen Richard Drax, local tv presenter and land owner. They chose an idiot last time, this time a 'Tim nice but dim' clone.


Re: New You Gov poll (#9)

by Ian G on Fri Jul 28, 2006 at 10:12:04 PM GMT

It's reassuring to know that people aren't completely fooled by Cameron's policy free zone, and that our core vote is holding despite all the problems we've been having.

However, I'm concerned that hard-right Tory voters are going to permanently move to the BNP or UKIP. It's hardly surprising that people who've believed the previous Tory lines on immigration, Europe, law and order, etc, aren't now going to support Cameron with any enthusiasm.

Of course that's a problem of the Tories making, and will probably help us at least in the short term. It does make you worry about further BNP council successes though.


Re: New You Gov poll (#10)

by alexswanson on Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 02:24:21 AM GMT

My impression was that the BNP have more success taking council seats off Labour. After all the appeal is much the same - hate politics, directed at a minority group held to be to blame for all society's ills. For Labour it's the rich, for the BNP it's immigrants, but the underlying idea is identical.


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Re: New You Gov poll (#11)

by Patrick H on Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 02:32:35 AM GMT

Have you been reading your Ladybird Big Book of Politics again, Alex?

Peter is a Socialist. Peter hates Jane because Jane is rich. Jane is a Capitalist.

Here comes Alex. Alex is a Contrarian. He posts messages on a Labour blog even though he misunderstands what Labour is about. It's a shame for Alex.

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Re: New You Gov poll (#13)

by alexswanson on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 12:31:05 AM GMT

I understand very well what Labour is about. That's why I'm against it!


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Re: New You Gov poll (#12)

by snowflake5 on Sat Jul 29, 2006 at 06:01:08 AM GMT

BNP are doing well in Tory areas too. See the council by-election in conservative-dominated London Borough of Redbridge

http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/council/bridgebyelect.cfm

Tory 1014
BNP  857
Labour 299
Lib Dem 245
Green 147

I think the Tory vote dropped by some 600.

As for Labour and the rich - the rich have done very well under Labour - in 1997 there were just 200,000 people earning over £100k, now it's 500,000 people - a 250% increase.  In fact everyone has done very well under Labour, no matter who you are. We're living in a golden age, it's not been this good for over a century.  When old Gordy finally retires in 10-15 years time, people will be looking back in wonder and writing poems about how easy it was to get jobs and what a wealthy era this was!


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Re: New You Gov poll (#14)

by alexswanson on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 12:39:08 AM GMT

"In fact everyone has done very well under Labour, no matter who you are."

I haven't, and plenty other people haven't - not in terms of money, but in terms of civil liberties, which I at least care much more about.

I have to point out, though, that the core of this government's economic policy is to focus on keeping inflation down through the use of interest rates, backed up (at least in theory) by a balanced government budget. Both of those started out as Conservative policies which Labour spent years viciously opposing until reality dawned.

And your claimed 250% increase is in fact 150%, even before you account for inflation and increased taxation. Having pointed this out, I don't think I'll bother investigating the rest of your statistics.


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Re: New You Gov poll (#17)

by snowflake5 on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 04:12:52 PM GMT

"I haven't, and plenty other people haven't - not in terms of money, but in terms of civil liberties, which I at least care much more about."

You are worse off are you? How? Have you been stopped in the street by the police? Have you been arrested without charge? Have yoou lost your right to a trial or for freedom of speech? How has your life in particular been made worse? Of is this "my life is now worse" entirely a figment of your imagination?

As for your claim that the low interest rate-low inflation economy that we've had under Labour is down to Conservative policies, LOL. Why for instance did the Tories oppose making the BoE independent? Why was inflation rising strongly in the 18 months before the general election in 1997, when Clarke refused to put up rates in a dangerous bid to chance inflation and buy the election? Why did inflation reach nearly 15% in 89/90? Tories are inflation merchants. And a Tory government would bring back these evils. You only have to look across the Atlantic and see what has happened under George Bush (where inflation is running at twice the rate of ours).


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Re: New You Gov poll (#19)

by Ian G on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 02:58:52 PM GMT

It always amuses me when people argue this. If ecomic success has come about because we follow Tory policies, how come the Tories themsleves could never get right?


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Re: New You Gov poll (#24)

by AnarchoSocialist on Fri Aug 11, 2006 at 01:27:11 PM GMT

Who do you think is the Prime Minister? Nye Bevan?

Labour hating the rich? That's a laugh. Blair is one of the most pro-market Prime Ministers that Britain has had.


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Re: New You Gov poll (#15)

by moriarty10 on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 04:36:09 AM GMT

It really does seem it's going to be a hung parliament after the next general election. There are some pertinent points in the comments above.

The electorate does seem to be promiscuous with their support. In certain areas the Tories does seem to be able to lose some support to other right-wing parties, including UKIP. This was certainly the case in the last byelection in Bromley & Chistlehurst when the Tories hung on to a very safe true blue seat. (I should know, I used to live there. My vote for Labour in 2005 really was only to keep up the Labour vote)The Tories now seem attractive to certain groups, especially in London. However, as a North Easterner I am aware that Cameron is making no impact. In fact, the Torie sare less popular there than when Thatcher was in power( when they were winning seats -just!- or in second place. Those second places are now third places.)I am sure the same is true in Wales and Scotland and South Yorkshire. Cameron still only seems to be attractive to southern Englanders.

A last point. I too despair with Labour over so-called civil liberty policies. I am against ID cards - which can be argued on economic grounds never mind civil liberties grounds. However, like Henry Porter in The Observer who has previously stated he could support the Tories if they fought Labour on civil liberties issues, people who say this are, can I say, privileged. The minimum wage had no effect on these people. They were comfortably off. In the North East they care little for civil liberties if they can get a job with good wages. (In Middlesbrough they elect Ray Mallon as mayor! I'm sorry for that (I'm a smoggy))
What I am saying is it's easy to cry about civil liberties - as I do many times!- but I think most Labour MP's know what is attractive to their constituents.

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Re: New You Gov poll (#16)

by snowflake5 on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 04:04:26 PM GMT

I think you'll find that ID cards have been shelved - a combination of Gordon cutting the funding to the Home Office plus Reid deciding he has much more important things to do than implement them. Cabinet government in action! ;-)

As to the rest, the chattering classes like to talk about civil liberties, and how they've been eroded, but have they been really? How has it affected you personally? Have you been stopped in the street and arrested without charge? No. And the answer is pretty much no for everyone. At the same time the govt is trying very hard to keep people safe from bombs and the like. The attitude in the early 90's under the Major government to the likes of Abu Hamza and the flood of radicalised people coming from Algeria and Somalia was too laisser faire. I expect that if there was another attack, the chatterati moaning about civil liberties would be the first to moan about security.


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Re: New You Gov poll (#18)

by moriarty10 on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 05:02:24 PM GMT

Although I think your conclusion is correct - the first to moan about security etc - your argument is weak. Just because I have not been pulled over by police does not mean civil liberties have been eroded. Take this NatWest 3 case - incidently I think they do have questions to answer and in no way support their arguments. A reason Liberty got involved is  because the law used to extradite the three was originally only suppose to be for so-called terror suspects. The law's original purpose slowly crept to encompass a wider field.

Still not sure about ID cards being completely shelved though - I do hope so. It really does seem to be a poll tax in the making. And no one wants that on their political obituary.


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Re: New You Gov poll (#20)

by bornin84 on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 06:03:26 PM GMT

So you agree the Natwest 3 have questions to answer. So then what is the problem? Well Enron (and all its subsidaries) was an American company, the Americans believe the Natwest 3 have done something wrong, why should they not be extradited to America to stand trial? Unless you too have been indulging in potential financial malpractice how have your civil liberties been eroded?

As far as ID cards, whether or not they are introduced, the cost of passports has to rise anyway because they need to include biometric data! Do you not understand this?


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Re: New You Gov poll (#21)

by moriarty10 on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 05:11:38 AM GMT

No - I am not involved in any financial shenanigans. I don't think you missed the point I was making about the extradition law used by the US (it would be used for terrorist  suspects)- I think you ignored it. I agree that they should be accountable and I suspect the main reason the NatWest 3 didn't want to go to the US was because of the long sentences(in relation to UK) they would receive if found guilty.

I accept and understand  passports will cost more. Still think it's wrong they want my details. Very East Germany. What do you expect with a former commie as home secretary?(And friendly with the Bosnian Serbs!)


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Re: New You Gov poll (#22)

by snowflake5 on Wed Aug 02, 2006 at 11:20:18 PM GMT

Biometric data was added to passports because the USA refused to let anyone visit their country who didn't have biometric data on their papers. The EU did bargain with the USA and got the amount of biometric data required reduced.

There was the option of saying no of course - which would have meant that no EU citizen would have been able to set foot in the USA. But very difficult as the City of London for instance depends on close ties to the USA and our business people would have been at a disadvantage if they couldn't visit. The Germans and others felt the same.

I suppose in a parallel universe, looking after the business and commercial interests of Europe could be termed "commie"!


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Re: New You Gov poll (#23)

by Timka on Mon Aug 07, 2006 at 05:36:36 AM GMT

There is the problem that they carried out no illegal actions on American soil. They were fully within the law with whatever they did here, as there is no case to be brought against them in this country. They were extradited for breaking a law that has no juristiction in this country. Effectively, we now have the precedent that American law has a legal standing in our courts!

What if Dubya outlawed socialism? Would you be happy to be extradited to the US even though it is ok to be one here?


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Re: New You Gov poll (#25)

by shuangcer on Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 03:23:36 PM GMT

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