Tony the hero (in disguise)

Okay, so I know I'm being provocative with that title, but savour the potential irony of Blair's legacy being to unite (most) of the party. Against breaking the link. Apart from JR, Juvenal and Glass House, I've not come across anyone not outraged by the idea, from Jeremy Beecham to Jon Cruddas to Luke Akehurst, just to name three.

And now, as HenryG has pointed out, even Blairite outriders like Alan Johnson have done a volte face. Come to think of it, so has Tony himself.


The daily email from John McTernan states it reasonably unequivocally:

"Party funding & the link
As Tony Blair made clear to colleagues yesterday,  he will do nothing that would break the trade union link... We need annual spending limits and local spending limits to be introduced if there is to be a level playing field at the next election...Hayden Phillips needs to recognise that trade union funding is already highly regulated. He is proposing a model where trade unionists opt into paying the levy. That is completely unacceptable to the Labour Party."

I've blogged before about why spending limits and transparency of funding sources are the answer instead of a donation cap and even got totally unexpected agreement from Glass House, though recent comments suggest backsliding... The trouble is that the way that the issue has been discussed, many think that donation caps are somehow democratic and reduce the influence of the rich in politics. To do that, the Tories should be promoting a - say - £500 cap. Betcha they never suggest that.

It's far from a foregone conclusion that we won't see breaking the link/state funding pushed further - we might know more after today's emergency NEC meeting -  but it's looking less likely every minute. Tony's disguise is so good, he may not even be aware he has it on!

That raises the more important question brought up by some of JR's comments on the breaking the link story. I think JR (and Glass House and Juvenal) is wrong on every count - and I think that other bloggers have shown why he is wrong. But what we do need to address is why a young, articulate member of the party would be so hostile to such a vital element of the Labour party and movement. I don't think there is a huge mystery why this should be and it can be partly explained by pointing to the misguided enthusiasm for initiatives (wow, that's a polite way to describe it) as the Labour Supporters Network). But if we're talking about avoidable legacies, we need to think about how to demonstrate the importance of the union link, not just avow it.

This is the only idea I can come up with right now, but if you have others, or want to comment on this, comments are open...

Instead of  a GC meeting (or as part of one), act out an industrial dispute, based on a local workplace with members taking the roles of management, the workforce, politicians, union officers and local party members.


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Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#1)

In my defence, I'm not massively bothered about the link one way or the other.

However, I have a lot of sympathy with with the arguement that it is immoral to create a law that treats Union donations any differently than donations from any other organisation. We can't just treat them differently because we think they're "good".

How would we feel if the Tories decided that business donations should have preferential treatment on account of business's "incalculable contribution to the growth of the nation's economy, which benefits all"

And I'm in a Trade Union by the way.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#6)

"I have a lot of sympathy with with the arguement that it is immoral to create a law that treats Union donations any differently than donations from any other organisation."

I haven't heard anyone say that we should treat the unions in particular as a separate category, but most of us do think that democratic membership organisations should be treated differently to individuals or companies.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#7)

Sorry - I'm not sure what you mean.

If you think that they should be treated differently, how is that different from saying that they are in their own category

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#10)

I mean that membership organisations should be in their own category, but I don't think that trade unions (which are legally a quite specific type of entity) need be put in a category separate to them.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#12)

I see.

Why do you think membership organisations should be treated differently from individual or non-membership organisations?

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#13)

Well I think the point is that what appears to be a large single donation from one organisation is in fact the organised donation of many smaller donations (the political levy), most of which comes to us, although - of course - unions can democratically choose to spend that money in a variety of ways.

Our party is not the same as the Tory Party.  It is not a parliamentary-based entity that has found itself a grassroots later in its history.  The Unions do not so much donate to the party as are part of the party and use their funds accordingly.  The Labour Party has always been a federal one, and the official trade union movement has always been a crucial - and by far the largest - part of that federal entity.  When people talk about the share of the electoral college, the current system is massively biased against union members, and fairly enormously biased against party members, and very much in the favour of MPs: there are many more party members than MPs, there many more trade union political levy-payers than party members.  As such your vote as a party member counts more than that as a trade unionist (if you have both) and your vote as an MP (if you're lucky enough to have all three) trumps the others.  The massive impact of parliamentary party votes on the 'Second Guess' engine demonstrates that very effectively (take the deputy leadership for instance, where a change by one or two MPs could take John Cruddas from winning the election to not being on the ballot paper at all).

If we were to see this proposed funding cap (which, I repeat is predicated on a fundamental misunderstanding of the constitution of the Labour Party) then it would be the breaking of the link, and - I fear - the culmination of an agenda laid out by Tony Blair more than ten years ago, when he said that his government would treat the trade union movement with 'fairness not favours' like 'any other pressure group': itself a fundamental misunderstanding of the movement he had been invited to lead.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#15)

Your post implies that the money given from the Unions to the Labour Party is just lots of little donations to the Labour Party by individual Union members. It isn't.

It's made up of lots of little donations to the Unions political fund by individual Union members.

Giving money to the political fund is NOT the same as giving money to the Labour party - even though it is recognised that when you give money to the political fund, SOME of it will go to the Labour party.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#16)

Which I think is the point I made in the first paragraph.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#17)

Admittedly, money given to a union political fund is not the same as a Labour party donation, but surely the question relating to member organisations is one of governance.

Since the purpose of party funding laws is to limit the amount of influence any individual/organisation has over a political party. It could be argued that since the power of a member organisation lies in the hands of a large number of individual members, it is therfore less open to abuse.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#2)

having read the rest...

"got totally unexpected agreement from Glass House"

What's that supposed to mean?
Or is it just the usual "Glass House is on the right of the party and therefore has no morals" rubbish?

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#4)

GH, we've done this before - we have had political disagreements in the past, on the right to protest and on funding - but when I outlined my preferred alternative to donation caps - i.e. spending limits and all year accounting periods (and transparency), you agreed that it was a sensible option - not least because it would avoid the highly dubious practice of trying to define trade union donations from other kinds.

I've no idea about your morals - didn't raise them, in fact - but I'm sure you have them. I'm talking ONLY about political discussion. That's why I used the word "unexpected." You're Labour and that's moral enough for me.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#3)

Alan Johnson may say he doesn't want to break the link - but of course he would say that given that the unions hold a third of the vote in our party.

Johnson, like most Blairites ministers I would guess, wants the link broken, or at least wants the unions to have a lower proportion of the electoral college vote.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#5)

So Alan Johnson says one thing but means another. I think you are almost certainly right, JR.

What does that tell us about his political trustworthiness?

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#8)

He cannot be trusted. If he lies about his beliefs concerning the structure of the Labour party, then he does not deserve to be deputy leader.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#11)

Crikey JR, calm down! I don't think anyone's accusing Alan Johnson of telling porky pies, just of being careful with his phraseology.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#9)

Let me restate my position, given that I like to think I understand it better than anyone else.

I am not questioning the traditional link between the trade unions and Labour per se.  My question is to what extent the relationship is dependent on the transfer of funds from one to the other.  If there is a financial dependency (Labour would go bankrupt without it, the unions would lose what little influence they have), then we need to question whether this is acceptable, just like any other form of party funding.  If there is no need for the financial link, then why defend it?  Arguments by the likes of TULO that an attack on the funding link is a means of destroying the entire union-party relationship are, in my opinion, spurious.  

You quote John McTernan as saying that opting in to the levy is "totally unacceptable".  Why? Because it risks demonstrating that the political levy is less popular than the current opting in process suggests?  I may have put that rather provocatively, but it's a genuine question.

Call me cynical, but I think that the enthusiasm of senior government figures to defend the status quo is really about avoiding a damaging public bust-up with the unions, and the delicate matter of a multi-million pound overdraft.

In the last post on this subject, I said that I recognised that the most likely alternative to union funding - state financing - was not necessarily any more palatable with the public than the current situation.  But this debate is increasingly convincing me that state financing is the right way forward.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#14)

Just to update, in today's email from John McTernan:

Mike Griffiths, Chair of Labour's National Executive Committee  NEC, has issued a statement  on behalf of the full NEC. He said: "Labour Party has led the way in introducing transparency into British politics culminating in the Political Parties Elections and Referendums Act (2000). We therefore welcome the Hayden Phillips inquiry into the future of political funding.  The time has come to end the "arms race" on election expenditure, with a cap on what parties can spend, nationally and locally and for the lifetime of a parliament. The Labour Party National Executive Committee (NEC) is therefore encouraged by the proposals from Sir Hayden regarding the principle of reducing the spending of political parties. After consulting with Party members, the Labour Party Conference in 2006 unanimously approved the Labour Party's detailed submission to the Review on the Future of Party Funding currently being conducted by Sir Hayden Phillips.  

"The position of the Labour Party, at all levels, has been and remains that as set out in our submission. This position was reiterated by the Prime Minister attending the Parliamentary Labour Party Committee on Wednesday where he made clear that nothing should break the historic link between the Labour Party and the Trade Unions. The NEC therefore rejects those proposals from Hayden Phillips that clearly neither respect nor understand the structures and constitution of the Labour Party. In the Labour Party submission to the review we express the view that any changes need to be workable, respect differing party structures and constitutions and should not reduce fairness and equality by giving one party a funding advantage over another. For that reason, in our submission we made it clear that the Labour Party cannot accept a statutory uniform donation cap as proposed by the Conservative Party.  This form of donation cap would quickly become unworkable logistically and diminish the political voice of hundreds of thousands of trade unionists at a time when all parties are concerned with widening political engagement. It would also undermine the Labour Party federal structure and seek to amend a system of Trade Union contributions that is already highly transparent and heavily regulated. Officers and officials of the NEC will continue to vigorously pursue the Labour Party's position in all discussions with Sir Hayden Phillips."

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#18)

Bit concerned we're all still talking about the importance of the link, rather than about how we set about convincing younger members like JR why it is important...

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#19)

Hey, I'm young too!

I'm 25!

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#20)

I said "like JR", so that could include you. If you want.

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#21)

Dear Glass House,

If you or any other youngsters (says he at age 27) want to read a case as to why the right of the party should defend the union link, may I recommend Diane Hayter's Fightback on the struggle within the party in the 1980s, and the key role played by the unions. The prose isn't scintillating, but it's a fascinating read!

Re: Tony the hero (in disguise) (#22)

Yeah, i read that a few months ago (bought it at the Spring Conference). Very interesting stuff.